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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

I have never paid much attention to these automatic card shuffling machines before until about a week ago while chatting with a dealer while playing blackjack at a local casino. He said -
'Personally I think these things are the devil. I've been dealing for 16 years and people tend to win more at tables where the dealer has to hand shuffle the cards. These machines can pick out any card at random on command and can be programmed for how many players are at the table.'
Anyone ever heard of such? Seems like these machines give the casino a much better advantage than the game is intended to have.

LSURussian
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9 acres of paradise in Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2005
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No. Random is random. These are probably the same goofs who get mad at you for the cards they are dealt, based on your play.

Yes they make it harder to count cards depending on number of decks in shoe, but thats it.

It depends if it's one of those continuously shuffle machines. As soon as a hand is done, it shuffles those cards back into the deck. I hate those. Now the ones that just shuffle for the dealer, I don't care.

pistolpete23
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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

quote:
Odds are always in the house's favor

Thank you Sherlock, but that's not what is being discussed.
Do these machines give the casino better odds than hand shuffling?

ChineseBandit58
LSU Fan
west of the pines
Member since Aug 2005
30478 posts

quote:
'Personally I think these things are the devil. I've been dealing for 16 years and people tend to win more at tables where the dealer has to hand shuffle the cards. These machines can pick out any card at random on command and can be programmed for how many players are at the table.'

This is pure bull shite.
The casino could lose its license for that, and it is a gold mine for them anyway - why try to rig it?
Now, I have no doubt that these machines COULD be programmed to put a lot of aces and tens together - they have a magnetic identifier on them to check for blackjack.
It would be business suicide for them to do this though.
And unless they put out solid stream of tens, the machine would not know whether a player would leave or sit out just before the deal - lots of what-ifs the machine could not predict.
I count cards - but gave it up except on two-deck hand dealt games and then only if there are two or less other players at the table. That combination rarely happens in any casino around here except at the high dollar tables.
It is useless to try to count cards on the six or greater deck tables. (They have gone to 8 decks at Coushatto.)
I have found that I like the machine dealt games better than the hand dealt 8 deck games. With the machine dealt, you can still make an 'estimate' of the richness of the stack of cards about to come out of the machine based on the last hand dealt. It it was very rich in tens and/or aces, then it is probable there will be fewer than normal tens and aces coming out next. If you have a huge bet out, it is wise to reduce it.
Likewise, if a hand is dealt with nothing but 4, 5, 6 in it, (fives especially) it is more probable that more than normal amount of tens and aces will be in the stack about to come out of the machine. So if you want to increase you bet that is the time to do it.
At least that is the way I play it.
eta: overall, I break even - win more times than lose = but overall even cause I tend to lose more money than I win.

TigerBait1127
New Orleans Saints Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts

quote:
No. Random is random. These are probably the same goofs who get mad at you for the cards they are dealt, based on your play.

uh, it without a doubt hurts you

quote:
It is useless to try to count cards on the six or greater deck tables. (They have gone to 8 decks at Coushatto.)

that isn't true either

ChineseBandit58
LSU Fan
west of the pines
Member since Aug 2005
30478 posts

TigerBait1127
New Orleans Saints Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts

quote:
how??

lets see. Continuous shuffling makes reading the deck almost impossible. A bunch of low or high cards come out and you can't getting an accurate read.

quote:
It is useless to try to count cards on the six or greater deck tables. (They have gone to 8 decks at Coushatto.)

that isn't really true either, although it does make it difficult. Hollywood has very beatable tables

The Boat
Duke Fan
Monroe, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
110078 posts

Continuous shuffling would suck balls. They better keep that witchcraft away from Club Hollywood.

TigerBait1127
New Orleans Saints Fan
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts

quote:
They better keep that witchcraft away from Club Hollywood.

they have it at the $5 table. If you are playing only basic strategy, it may even help you

fishfighter
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
35077 posts
Online

quote:
Do these machines give the casino better odds than hand shuffling?

Yes. Reason is that if they start loosing, they will change out the boot. Happen to many times for me to call that any other way.

The Boat
Duke Fan
Monroe, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
110078 posts

I better cash out my Louisiana Purchase card and get down there.

Tactical1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
25425 posts

Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

I haven't gambled much in BR lately other than last week. Which of the three casinos here have a good selection of tables where the dealers hand shuffle the cards?

pistolpete23
LSU Fan
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
5374 posts
Online

No need to be a prick I thought I did answer your question
of course the machines increase the casinos odds

ChineseBandit58
LSU Fan
west of the pines
Member since Aug 2005
30478 posts

quote:
Hollywood has very beatable tables

How many decks and how far do they go before they re-shuffle.
That is the key.
On these multi-deck games, the count only means anything towards the end of the deck. At Coushatto they redeal when they get within two decks of the end of the shoe. Count is pretty useless at that point unless it is astronomically high.
Counting really only works for one and two deck games. Then they shuffle at the mid-shoe point.

Sus-Scrofa
Arkansas Fan
Member since Feb 2013
2410 posts

I'm a superstitious blackjack player, I don't like them.

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